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	<title>Comments on: Update: Change in Proposed Visitability Ordinance</title>
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		<title>By: Austin Visitability Outcome &#124; InspiredAustin.com</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin Visitability Outcome &#124; InspiredAustin.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Update: Change in Proposed Visitability Ordinance (10 comments) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-514</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Below are my thoughts on the proposed "scaled back" requirements.  I have attempted to come at this strictly from a design perspective not a property rights/proper role of government perspective.

Blocking in the walls of one first floor bath wall to allow for the installation of grab bars 

Seems like this would be minimal at first glance, but if you use the ADA required grab bar sizes - the grab bars would not fit in the average residential bath.  The average residential bath has 32" clear floor space for the water closet.  Installing blocking is no big deal, but the sizes of grab bars that are to be installed in the future is what should be considered.  ADA requires 36" along the back and 42" along the side of the water closet.  Both of these bars are to be mounted a maximum of 12" from the corner.  The main issue I see is the 36" bar along the rear.  The average bathroom would need to be made larger to accomodate a 36" grab bar and corner clearance.  It seems as if this item would need to be clarified to be able to understand the design impact.

Minimum of one first floor entry door that is at least 32″ wide 

The International Residential Code already requires 36" at the entry

All first floor doors at least 30″ wide

Smaller doors are commonly used in; linen closets, water heater access closets, and pantries.  Certianly there may be some others as well, but that is what comes to mind.  If 30" clear is required then the actual door size will need to be 32".  A 30" wide door will not provide 30" clear becasue of the jamb projection.  This will need to be clarified.

Lever handle hardware on 1st floor doors 

The lever handles are generally less durable.  I wouldn't recommend them for high abuse applications unless they are required by code.

Max height of 48″ for switches, thermostats and eletrical disconnects

American graphic standards recommends that the top of the box be between 44" - 48" above the floor.  The proposed requirement would fall within the typical range.

Min height of 15″ for electrical receptacles and plugs 

American graphic standards recommends that the top of the receptacle be between 12" - 16" above the floor.  The proposed requirement would fall within the typical range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Below are my thoughts on the proposed &#8220;scaled back&#8221; requirements.  I have attempted to come at this strictly from a design perspective not a property rights/proper role of government perspective.</p>
<p>Blocking in the walls of one first floor bath wall to allow for the installation of grab bars </p>
<p>Seems like this would be minimal at first glance, but if you use the ADA required grab bar sizes - the grab bars would not fit in the average residential bath.  The average residential bath has 32&#8243; clear floor space for the water closet.  Installing blocking is no big deal, but the sizes of grab bars that are to be installed in the future is what should be considered.  ADA requires 36&#8243; along the back and 42&#8243; along the side of the water closet.  Both of these bars are to be mounted a maximum of 12&#8243; from the corner.  The main issue I see is the 36&#8243; bar along the rear.  The average bathroom would need to be made larger to accomodate a 36&#8243; grab bar and corner clearance.  It seems as if this item would need to be clarified to be able to understand the design impact.</p>
<p>Minimum of one first floor entry door that is at least 32″ wide </p>
<p>The International Residential Code already requires 36&#8243; at the entry</p>
<p>All first floor doors at least 30″ wide</p>
<p>Smaller doors are commonly used in; linen closets, water heater access closets, and pantries.  Certianly there may be some others as well, but that is what comes to mind.  If 30&#8243; clear is required then the actual door size will need to be 32&#8243;.  A 30&#8243; wide door will not provide 30&#8243; clear becasue of the jamb projection.  This will need to be clarified.</p>
<p>Lever handle hardware on 1st floor doors </p>
<p>The lever handles are generally less durable.  I wouldn&#8217;t recommend them for high abuse applications unless they are required by code.</p>
<p>Max height of 48″ for switches, thermostats and eletrical disconnects</p>
<p>American graphic standards recommends that the top of the box be between 44&#8243; - 48&#8243; above the floor.  The proposed requirement would fall within the typical range.</p>
<p>Min height of 15″ for electrical receptacles and plugs </p>
<p>American graphic standards recommends that the top of the receptacle be between 12&#8243; - 16&#8243; above the floor.  The proposed requirement would fall within the typical range.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Brown</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there are many reasons to implement visitability features, I think Eric makes several good points.  

It comes down the scope of government building codes - going beyond health and safety features may be a dangerous precedent to set.  

Perhaps someone can weigh in on the City Charter and how it limits the scope of building ordinances - although that may do more to end the thread than invoking Godwin's law ;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there are many reasons to implement visitability features, I think Eric makes several good points.  </p>
<p>It comes down the scope of government building codes - going beyond health and safety features may be a dangerous precedent to set.  </p>
<p>Perhaps someone can weigh in on the City Charter and how it limits the scope of building ordinances - although that may do more to end the thread than invoking Godwin&#8217;s law ;).</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rauser</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-512</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, things like saving time and money isn't in the purview of building code.  The purpose of a building code is the protect the health, safety and welfare of citizens.  Zoning codes are to protect rights of citizens and property owners.

Regardless, it might be time for one of us to invoke Godwin's Law and end this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, things like saving time and money isn&#8217;t in the purview of building code.  The purpose of a building code is the protect the health, safety and welfare of citizens.  Zoning codes are to protect rights of citizens and property owners.</p>
<p>Regardless, it might be time for one of us to invoke Godwin&#8217;s Law and end this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 22:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My cover plate example was simply to point out that architects are already kept from building pie in the sky designs due to the building code. These are simply changes to the building code. Not some sort of wide reaching communist plot to impose Brutalist architecture on the masses.

Public safety isn't the only thing the building code covers. Obviously some in the city feel that putting this in the building code will save them time and money in the future and contribute a substantial benefit to the public good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My cover plate example was simply to point out that architects are already kept from building pie in the sky designs due to the building code. These are simply changes to the building code. Not some sort of wide reaching communist plot to impose Brutalist architecture on the masses.</p>
<p>Public safety isn&#8217;t the only thing the building code covers. Obviously some in the city feel that putting this in the building code will save them time and money in the future and contribute a substantial benefit to the public good.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rauser</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
Covering exposed electrical wiring is a matter of life safety.  I don't see how reinforcing bathroom walls for possible future placement of grab-bars is a matter of public safety.  Mandating outlet height for the convenience of a person in a wheelchair won't help a person with a broken foot get in the front door or save his/her life from electrocution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
Covering exposed electrical wiring is a matter of life safety.  I don&#8217;t see how reinforcing bathroom walls for possible future placement of grab-bars is a matter of public safety.  Mandating outlet height for the convenience of a person in a wheelchair won&#8217;t help a person with a broken foot get in the front door or save his/her life from electrocution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mobility Impaired is not the same thing as wheelchair bound. There are many houses in Austin that you couldn't get into if you simply broke your foot.

An architect can't decide that exposed electrical sockets meet their diverse user with an appropriate solution. There's a "blanket ordinance" that says you have to put a cover plate on.

Logically it makes the most sense for the standard building code to accommodate the most people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mobility Impaired is not the same thing as wheelchair bound. There are many houses in Austin that you couldn&#8217;t get into if you simply broke your foot.</p>
<p>An architect can&#8217;t decide that exposed electrical sockets meet their diverse user with an appropriate solution. There&#8217;s a &#8220;blanket ordinance&#8221; that says you have to put a cover plate on.</p>
<p>Logically it makes the most sense for the standard building code to accommodate the most people.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rauser</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Rauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's hard not to see this as an emotional issue, but if we look at this logically it is clearly Unreasonable Accommodation.  The number of wheelchair bound Americans is around 1,600,000 (according to the Disability Statistic Center of UCSF), making up 0.53% of the U.S. population.  Less than 6 people out of 1000.  Do we really need restrictive legislation for such a small group? 

I realize that this is an unpopular statement, and that I will seem like a bad person.  My interest, though, is in maintaining my ability to provide diverse users with an appropriate solution instead of a blanket ordinance on all residences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard not to see this as an emotional issue, but if we look at this logically it is clearly Unreasonable Accommodation.  The number of wheelchair bound Americans is around 1,600,000 (according to the Disability Statistic Center of UCSF), making up 0.53% of the U.S. population.  Less than 6 people out of 1000.  Do we really need restrictive legislation for such a small group? </p>
<p>I realize that this is an unpopular statement, and that I will seem like a bad person.  My interest, though, is in maintaining my ability to provide diverse users with an appropriate solution instead of a blanket ordinance on all residences.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Brown</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 16:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For more coverage see here:

&lt;a href="http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/06/05/0605visitability.html?cxtype=rss&#38;cxsvc=7&#38;cxcat=52" rel="nofollow"&gt;Statesman.com - Proposal may open Austin homes to disabled&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For more coverage see here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/06/05/0605visitability.html?cxtype=rss&amp;cxsvc=7&amp;cxcat=52" rel="nofollow">Statesman.com - Proposal may open Austin homes to disabled</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://inspiredaustin.com/blog/2008/06/update-change-in-proposed-visitability-ordinance/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The market will never work for issues like visitability. Or rather one could say that it has. The mobility impaired are not a valuable market segment, and so the market has done nothing for them. That's market efficiency. Government regulation allows us to tweak the market so that we can provide for what would otherwise be "market inefficiency".

The market would have the poor starving to death in the streets as they're not productive enough to feed. Thankfully as a society this is not acceptable so we tweak the market to keep it from happening. It's all a balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The market will never work for issues like visitability. Or rather one could say that it has. The mobility impaired are not a valuable market segment, and so the market has done nothing for them. That&#8217;s market efficiency. Government regulation allows us to tweak the market so that we can provide for what would otherwise be &#8220;market inefficiency&#8221;.</p>
<p>The market would have the poor starving to death in the streets as they&#8217;re not productive enough to feed. Thankfully as a society this is not acceptable so we tweak the market to keep it from happening. It&#8217;s all a balance.</p>
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